Journeys in Fandom
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Journeys in Fandom
Doctor Who: Rogue Review
Prepare for an entertaining discussion as we wake Matt up and share our thoughts on the latest Doctor Who episode, Rogue, which Tim says was the best for a long time! We even compare the emotional rollercoaster of being a Doctor Who fan with being a football fan, expressing our cautious optimism for the show's future despite its recent ups and downs.
To top it off, we speculate about the potential return of an old adversary for the finale as the possible continuation of old God themes. As well as Doctor Who, we reminisce about our experiences at conventions, reflecting on the changes in pricing, the value of VIP tickets, and memorable encounters with celebrities.
Hello and welcome to Genesium Fandom Podcast.
Speaker 2:We are back yet again, we're back again.
Speaker 1:Woohoo Woo. Anyone think Doctor?
Speaker 2:Who was on the?
Speaker 1:TV.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, it's a weekly instalment of me and Tim getting happy, angry, sad, emotional, jaded about Doctor who.
Speaker 1:It's the emotional rollercoaster that is the weekly Doctor who episode.
Speaker 2:Yep. So obviously, before we get into the meat of this week's episode, any news Ratings.
Speaker 1:Quick squizz of the old ratings. Why not Love a rating? So Dot and Bottle ratings are in no seven day one yet, which seems to be the norm. It's seven, ten, twelve days, whatever. So episode five, two point twelve million. So that's down from two.62, which is the overnight rating.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's not a deal, is it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, looking at the patterns, I predict probably 3.4 million for the seven-dayer yeah, and then probably 3.6, yeah, for the seven-day plus the extra stuff. So there we go, not unexpected.
Speaker 2:So what made episode four spike?
Speaker 1:I think it was the fact that it was the unusualness of it, because the trailers looked intriguing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I was also told that 73 Yards was quite critically acclaimed.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And I'm thinking do you know what to say?
Speaker 1:about it as a critics' disc. Well, that's the norm, I think. For once, the critics were even more gushing over it than they would do normally, so that probably drew a few people in. Even without the gushing positivity, the fact that they kept saying, oh, it's completely different, it's completely different probably did draw people in, because what was the one before it Was that Boom.
Speaker 2:Boom.
Speaker 1:Yes, babies singing Boom.
Speaker 2:Boom, and so Yards yeah.
Speaker 1:Interesting the pattern there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because on Twitter, I was like seeing opinions from people who I respect, um like like writers and actors and people that actually are good at this stuff, and I go, oh, it's brilliant. I'm going did you watch the same episode? Because I'm thinking it just didn't resonate with me. But we talked about last week, didn't we it? Just it just didn't resonate with me. We talked about that last week, didn't we? It just missed.
Speaker 1:Whatever it was aiming for, it missed by a fair margin so that's probably why the ratings were what they were because, it's slowly been going down and it blipped and then it's gone back down again, so it'll be interesting to see what tonight's episode looks like this time next week.
Speaker 2:so I'm going to. It'd be interesting to see what tonight's episode looks like this time next week. So I'm going to pose a question before we talk about tonight's episode Are we, are we stuck in a negative headspace with Doctor who, and is that then colouring or jading our opinions of the show? And I'm just going to let that one just sit and we can ponder upon that and then come back to it later.
Speaker 1:Well, we have mentioned it a few times, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If you a lot of things if you go in, it's interesting. Before we get to tonight's episode, I quite often watch YouTubers who don't like this Doctor who or any. It doesn't have Doctor who as anything. If they don't like it, they'll watch it and they'll find things to criticize. So if you go in with a negative outlook, you're going to see things you don't like but likewise if you go in and it works both ways.
Speaker 1:If you are completely in love with this series, you will go in and see no negativity whatsoever and I think yeah, I think sometimes it's still. For me it's still the uh, after effects of the previous era that's probably caused a lot of that but even in the old days I used to go in. There'd be a bit like I don't really like this because of x. So I was was never a what's the word? Blind positive person when it came to Doctor who, because there's always something to kind of go don't like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I've come into this series apathetic at best, and I think that's how I'm coming out of it. You're just going, I just don't care.
Speaker 1:I think, to be honest, the 60th thing brought it right down for me. I've said it before on these reviews that was an anti-climax of anti-climaxes and ever since then it's like I've really got to drag myself to like things. But I have an analogy for how I watched Doctor who, but I'll save that because it's a footballing analogy for all your footballing fans, which you are not.
Speaker 2:I'm fully aware of the football.
Speaker 1:The sportball.
Speaker 2:Yes, the sportball. I'm fully aware of this. So again, before we start, slight apology for dear listeners and dear watchers and dear viewers. We're slightly late in recording this episode by a few minutes because Muggums here dozed off while watching Doctor who and had to rewind 10 minutes. Oh my God, he's getting old and you know we just go. Oh, I've missed a bit. Oh crap, I've missed a bit. Rewind, what did I last remember, that bit?
Speaker 2:and he goes, oh no this is not good, but I think that sums up my Doctor who viewing. I went oh yeah, doctor who. Oh, I've dozed off crap rewind.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I did. I did wonder where you got, but there we go yeah, yeah, I'm old, I dozed off.
Speaker 2:Luckily, my uh, my uh, my. My knowledge of needing to do a podcast woke me up in time, so I could then, quite clearly, rewind your podcast, senses were tingling I should be doing something. What should I be doing? Oh yes, watching this episode. I'm now sleeping through excellent, oh dear.
Speaker 1:So what was? Oh, rogue, that's what it was called. I don't know Again my problem was.
Speaker 2:I dozed off part of the way through and had to re-watch part of it. I think, as I think, like we've said, with many episodes in the series, there will be a contingent that loves this episode, a contingent that hates this episode, a contingent that hates this episode with a passion and a contingent that just goes yep, that happened, move on. I thought Jonathan Goff, isn't it who was?
Speaker 1:Rogue. I've known who I'd guessed, but I don't know what. He's been in Hamilton he was King. George. I've known who I'd guessed, but I don't know what he's been in Hamilton. He was King George. I've not seen it.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, apparently everyone swooned over him.
Speaker 1:Oh, is he Glee.
Speaker 2:He is very swoonable.
Speaker 1:I'll give him that Admittedly if you're going to cast him.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things of just make him sing a bit, because he's really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was ugly. I can't remember. I remember watching that years ago. Yeah, I should have really done my research. Everyone was swooning the fact he was going to be in it, but I didn't really know who he was. I think at that point I was frustrated that he was going to be captain jack, so I wasn't interested.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that changed uh, on the plus side, he was not captain jack. Yeah, yay, that's a positive lord. We found a positive about doctor who they didn't do the thing no, they didn't do the thing.
Speaker 1:No, they didn't do the thing. Hang on, I haven't put my background on yet. Let me just deploy that just in case. Here we go.
Speaker 2:Background deploy, just in case. Yeah, he wasn't, admittedly, he could have easily been. Oh, yes, yeah, even like the speech pattern, the style, the vibe. You go yeah, this could have been Captain Jack quite easily. Yeah, which is, I think, why we're so worried that it was Because you just go yeah. This very much is, I wonder and I'm probably wrong.
Speaker 1:Wrong whether it originally was going to be, but with all the hoo-ha, they couldn't, didn't cast him I don't know or maybe it was an idea for a story that russell had, even though he didn't write it. I'm sure he obviously led on it from years ago that he reused. I need to watchidential Unleashed behind the scenes, or whatever it's called, and see who mentions it. But yes, he very much struck me as Captain Jack Harness-esque with the whole get up, the whole set up. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, bugger, yes, sorry, had a brain fart there Talking of Doctor, of doctor who confidential, or whatever it's called. Um going back to 73, going back to 73 yards, yeah, um, my uh wonderful girlfriend uh informed me of part of it and you know where the the last are doing their old thingy and um saying something to people and no one knows what they're saying so?
Speaker 1:russell answers a question what they're saying I thought he said he was never going to say what she was saying yeah, but that's, that's a problem.
Speaker 2:His answer is oh, it did just imagine what it could have been, and it was this throwaway line of classic kind of oh what can it be? It's so terrible and you're going. Well, actually, for some of those people they're pretty much nothing, Especially like Ruby's mum. You're going no, just no.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And like you, said still hangs with me the fact that she said different things to different people all at the same time. When it came to you, it wasn't like it was the same thing yeah, yeah yeah uh, but anyway that that moment burst in my head and confused me.
Speaker 2:Uh, so back to rogue. Um, I, I thought it started good. I thought the Rogue character was very Captain Jack, but actually worked. I thought the the Doctor Rogue flirtiness was fine. I I think again in my little quick rewind, when you have the scene in his ship where he's going oh, you're a shapeshifter, because obviously he's thinking he's a bad guy, and then he throws a psychic paper and goes well, actually I'm the doctor, time lord, and they do the classic, all the faces and all that, and normally they're really kind of powerful moments and I just went, yeah, cool, it's in that before.
Speaker 2:And I went, oh, yeah, look there's, um, there's a missing doctor and the war doctor and all the ones they spot the extra face that was in there.
Speaker 1:I didn't spot it and I saw it. I've been doing my homework prior to this and someone pointed it out extra face. There was a face in there that I didn't. I looked at it went who's that's that? As it went by there was obviously ten and twice. It was out of order. It wasn't in the right numbering order for a start, so you had.
Speaker 1:It was everyone, joe Martin, and there was a new face in there, or an old face. It was Richard E Grant. Scream of Shulker Doctor, yeah, really, yeah. Someone paused it and showed it and it's Richard E Grant's face, but it's, unless something else is going on. It's Scream of Shalker Doctor. Wow, yeah, because I saw this face go around and I kind of missed it and I thought maybe it's one of those Morbius faces again, just to hammer it home. But no, richard E Grant. I thought, ooh, that's cool. Ooh, yeah, well, because I forgot about Scrooge. I like that. I thought it was really cool. You can get it on DVD, so I'm tempted to purchase it because it was a good little thing way, way, way, way, way back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cool. I'm hoping they use that ship set again because that seems a real shame to have built that set for like 30 seconds of on-screen time yeah, I think he will be back.
Speaker 1:Uh, but like, yeah, because I suppose if they got disney money they could just go throw it away, can't they? They've got money pouring away. But yeah, that seems. But the thing of the thing with that with doctor who in general I always find that sometimes they they make all these eight even the back in the old not the old old days, but the old new who days. They spend all this money and they don't do it again. You never see the monsters again. So they do throw a lot of money at it and then for one off.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that ship was nice, it looked really good yeah, yeah, because it had very hardest vibes, isn't it where there's a central console and oh, is it anyway? No, no, yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, no. I thought I thought, uh, old, old jonathan goff was was great, um, I thought, as they then get back into the, um bridgerton house, um, and then it becomes, oh, the, their monsters are cosplaying people. And you're going, all right, okay, and you know when it just begins to unravel again, and you're going, okay, cool, here we go. And then obviously, yeah, we're aware there's two of them, and then it's four, and then suddenly the twist, or it's the fifth one it's all that coming from a mile off, yeah and it.
Speaker 2:But like the warden said, oh, if they start to change, there's no stopping it and you're going. But you've literally just broke that rule 10 seconds later, just yeah well, I have to uh, what's the word?
Speaker 1:uh, my opinion was that was possibly the best episode I've seen in a long time. I really liked it Better Than Christmas. It was spot on. It's the first episode I've watched and gone. This is proper. It's never going to be old school Doctor who, but this was proper modern who and my brain turned off. I was like, yeah, it's great. I love it all the way through. Like you said, he was great as rogue. The doctor was great in this. I let him off when he cried because that's what he does again she wasn't.
Speaker 2:She wasn't too annoying.
Speaker 1:She was good. Uh, the story made sense. The, the villains were good. I liked the bird thing. I thought it was quite cool, because shapeshifters you often think of like lizards, don't you? Because it's that kind of thing. But birds kind of just worked and the ending was so open. It was good. No, I really enjoyed it. You said last week these are not episodes I could go back and watch again. I could watch that one again. That's the first one I've gone. Yeah, I'll bank that. I like that one. I could watch that again.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was good I think for me I need to watch it again to A see Richard E, grant and B knock those off during it, and I think that was my, uh, my final mistake, and you're right, I think it is one where you can go. Yes, it's, it does what. It is a doctor episode. Yeah, that's, that's, it's, it's fine, it's classic new who episode.
Speaker 1:It was sci-fi. I was not saying something wrong with fantasy. There was no weirdy stuff that didn't make sense. It had the one-liners and the jokes all landed really well. The nuances between past and present. The future landed. There was. It was no corniness, it worked and it felt like a doctor who episode, whereas the ones previously all haven't. There was no the whole doctor kissing a man thing. Yeah, you're right, people are gonna like it or they're not gonna like it. Some people absolutely hate it. I had no issue with it at all because it made sense in the story and for his character. So if you part that, there was no political, overt political messaging in this one. It was all neat story and that just worked. And I've got no issue with that at all and people will absolutely hate it and I've already seen a couple of people saying just going off on one on it. But I liked it. I thought it was really really good.
Speaker 2:One thing I did like is, obviously, when he thinks Ruby has been killed, he goes oh, how long do these creatures live? 600 years and you, just, there's that that change of ah. They're gonna suffer and you're just going oh, we've, we've. We've met this version before and it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the first time in this whole series, but I've seen it and it was just. It flicked on there for a second and also the bit at the end where he thought he was going to lose her. You knew what was going to happen when the guy did it, but I was sitting there going, how is they going to get? Because all the way through it did she die, did she not die. I'm thinking, well, she's got to stay alive. But I got lost in the story because I was going.
Speaker 2:Well, how are they going to?
Speaker 1:get around this, how they're going to get around this, and didn't. Yeah, they got me with the story at multiple points and I was thinking, well, he's not going to die. Uh, old rogue, he's going to be back. So where are they going and who's his boss? I thought that was quite actually because he kept throwing to him. Since I've had a new boss, there's more paperwork, so who, who or what is his boss?
Speaker 2:so that was the old classic throwaway lines, because Because I thought when Ruby died it would have been a case of oh, actually her snow ability thing would have done something. Yeah, I was waiting for it to start snowing and yeah, and you end up either it doesn't work or it's like a partial copy or something and you just go, oh yeah, something hasn't quite gone right here. And then for obviously her to pretend and you're going, you're gonna actually cool yeah, and they made it.
Speaker 1:It's logical because they'd already introduced the earpiece thing and what it can do. So when she said combat mode, it made sense. It was the story from end to end. Yeah, you can switch your brain off a little bit because it's sci-fi, but it all made sense. There was nothing there where you go well, that's just pointless or that just comes out of nowhere. It all was good. So, yeah, really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:My analogy for football fans out there. I'm a Manchester United fan, so we're not in any way in the glory days anymore. So kind of like doctor who and supporting man united over the last five years. It's like a roller coaster one weekend, it's great. Next weekend, it's shit. When we're here, it's great, and this is exactly like it.
Speaker 1:It's like the fa cup final when we beat man city. We're amazing. It's like where the hell did that come from? But two weeks ago we were getting hammered four nil by, I don't know, burnley or something like that. It's exactly like doctor who. It's like it's a roller coaster of emotions like, oh, this is really good, oh, that's a shit. Oh and so next week looks amazing. This week was great, but you just don't know where that roller coaster is gonna be.
Speaker 1:It is very much like supporting a team who are completely inconsistent, and I think that's the same with Doctor who. It's like I'm now on a high for Doctor who. It's like, ooh, that was really good. I'm looking forward to next week. A lot.
Speaker 2:Well, I think, like we said, if you go into, if episode six was a strong episode, you go into episode seven and eight, the finale, in a positive headspace.
Speaker 1:And that's always used to happen with Russell's stories. The one before the final used to be really good, so Utopia, as an example amazing episode and it goes into a finale that was really good, then it was shit. So I'm following that trajectory Russell will have a really good pre-finale episode and the finale will be shit, because that's just the way he always does it yeah, so. So we I would like to be proved wrong, but yeah, we've. We've hit that peak now going into next week uh, we're just waiting for two.
Speaker 1:T's like uh, golem doctor oh god, yes, that's the classic one, gollum Doctor, which is awful, but that was the second episode of those two. So it's yeah, it'll happen again, it'll be, except for Christopher Eccleston's finale. All the others had a really good first bit and a really shit sort of final bit. But yeah, it's like Sporting man United, it's just, you just don't know what you're going to get each weekend. It's like it's great. No, but I couldn't fault it.
Speaker 1:I thought it was really, really good, so I'm looking forward to seeing him again.
Speaker 2:I hope he's back yeah, and I think he is really magnetic on screen, um, because, like using using hamilton as an example, he is in it for, I think, under 10 minutes and he is one of those memorable characters.
Speaker 2:He literally has three scenes yeah, so he has three scenes as um, as king george, and does three songs and it's just, yes, he is chef kiss, he's, he's really really good. Um, so, yeah, so, because I know nobody, ooh, this will be interesting. And then suddenly, as soon as I saw it, I went oh yes, of course God, I've completely forgot about this. And then was quite excited, is he?
Speaker 1:in this series. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is he the only big name, not cameo, but big name supporting role? I'm trying to think Space Babies no. Oh well, jinx Monsoon, yeah, I suppose that counts, doesn't it? Boom no, 73 Yards no. Dot Bubble no.
Speaker 1:Yeah he's the only established actor. We're not going to include Jinx Monsoon in that because he's more of an entertainment person. But yeah, he's the only established actor. We're not going to include jinx, I assume that because he's more of an entertainment person. But yeah, he's the only established actor in it. This series, I don't know. I'll say bonnie langford's back next week whether I count. Uh, yeah, there might be other people.
Speaker 2:If you take out returning cast members, he is the draw. Obviously. Jinx as a broadway star, um is again a draw.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, mainstream uh personality yeah because, yeah, I'm just trying to think like because obviously you had in the past like david there. Sorry, derek jacoby is just one of, because obviously we're just talking about utopia. We've had, uh, john sim obviously playing major characters, but again established actors, so we might get some of the finale that we don't know yet, but we'll see how it pans out yeah, and it's nice they've set up the possibility of a recurring character.
Speaker 2:That might happen it might not, because actually it'd be good to see him back and and learn more.
Speaker 1:Yeah I'm interested to know who was his partner or companion or whoever that he'd lost. That was interesting. Where's that going? Who's bosses? Who do you work for? There's a whole backstory there that could go into Big Finish if they don't do it again. So there's loads of ways that could happen again.
Speaker 2:It's like the name Rogue, you'd go yep cool, I'd love to D&D reference it, just in case. Oh, you got it from a tabletop game. Yeah, nice, but you go, yeah actually, and I had to smile as soon as he clicked on the music. It's Kylie and you're going. Oh yeah, I'm here for this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was just a really cool little scene and it's like oh yeah, it's just everything just landed, there was there was no corniness in it, yeah, and it made me smile because obviously hit uh rogues running around the ship pressing buttons turning off, and doctor goes and on and run around off the first use of the sonic screwdriver was actually good yeah, yeah, it's um, like, like I said, coming into it apathetically, um, I was prepared for it to be captain jack, it'd be the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 2:And for me to burn down the bbc dear bbc, that's hypothetical, not actually a plan. Yeah, burning down on you, um, dear lawyers, please back down. But yeah, it was nice to just watch an episode and not hate every second of it yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1:I suppose sometimes you go in with a negative outlook and it turns out to be, really good and you just go actually, yeah, this is really good, I like this, I like this a lot and that's all I could say about it. It was that good. It was the first time I've watched something and gone. I would watch that again, yeah, a few times, because it was, it was just fun and it was good.
Speaker 1:Old-fashioned doctor who watching yeah, I think, uh, we've hit our standard problem of we like something and we run out of things to say we're 26 minutes in or just about all right, that's it, we like it yeah, this is a problem.
Speaker 2:We like something, you go yeah, it's good. What else you want, whereas we hate you? We go right, lads, let's do this that's like for a full hour.
Speaker 1:We're just going to rage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could hate this for an hour with no issue at all. It's like last podcast. When we finished, we were chatting afterwards and I was saying how the main? Oh yeah, we had a.
Speaker 1:Really good series. Yeah, well, the main lass in Dot and Bubble was just vapid and pointless and I'm gonna oh yeah, this was doing far better just recording this and I've forgotten half of what it's because our theory was that if she was really likable and really like damsel in distress, then turned out to be a real bitch at the end when she let that guy die having a race analogy at the end or not, that would have been really cool to actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, yes, yeah, yeah she'd be like a disney princess. You would have just gone. Yeah, save her yeah, and then when she kills him, yeah yeah that would have been actually going yeah, why are you saving this person? They are literally pointless. They're just a waste of air yeah, um.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would have been, that would have been a better thing. But yeah, sometimes these things behind the scenes are coming soon Journeys in Fandom Unleashed Confidential, the non-censored stuff yeah. Speaking of non-censored, it's just us swearing Speaking of non-censored next week. Did you watch the trailer? I watched the bit at the end of the episode.
Speaker 2:It was about 10 seconds long and told me nothing, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's another theory. So we had the spoilery theory last week. So spoilers if you're not interested. But the big villain may be Sutec from Pyramids of Mars, because Okay, because, screenshot, look at this. I paused it. Ooh, what's behind her? They look like pyramids, pyramids. Yeah, it could be sutech, because that was the bit where she's the monologuing susan. What's the face? The triad woman yeah, about remembering everything. And you pause it at that point and you get that shot. Now that's something. So if it's a villain, it looks really cool. I like it. But there's pyramids in the background, so it could be sutech or it could be another one of Sutec's people. That could be something to do with it, but that does look quite cool, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because obviously are they going to continue the Toymaker kind of vibe with the old gods kind of thing. That's the thing, because obviously they were sort of saying that big and scary stuff is coming.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. Yeah, is it going to be a god that we know, or? Is it going to be something different. All the rumours about you know who possibly being it we talked about last week. That will be interesting indeed, but I'm going to just close that on my screen because it's freaking me out, just looking at you staring at you yes, interesting things. And how is what's the face being projected across the universe, across time and space, and stuff like that?
Speaker 2:the most important question have you bought your cinema tickets yet?
Speaker 1:No, no Again. I was really surprised how rammed my local cinema was when we started looking at it last week. I was like, oh, that's interesting that.
Speaker 2:And how small my love is.
Speaker 1:Yes your cinema is huge. It's like oh, I've actually really kind of uh, pushed the boat out, I think. It's like I don't know it's weird, but obviously, like we said, there's obviously an audience for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there is part of me that just goes. Should I? Should I go? Should I go Just watch?
Speaker 1:it on the big screen. You'll fall asleep, though.
Speaker 2:We know that now. Yeah, this is my problem. I'm going sat in the front row snoring my head off through to a doctor's room. Yeah, who went?
Speaker 1:yeah, who went? Look at it? Look at the cinema now and it's yeah, it's still full. From last week. Oh wow, crazy.
Speaker 2:I think probably wants to go now yeah, I think for me it's all going to depend on if episode 7 is good. Yeah, because if it's good, yeah. If it's good and I can watch it again, I'll watch it again. If it's not, and I can watch it again, I'll watch it again. If it's not good, I can't deal with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of that thing. It's like oh yeah because, a you've got to pay for it and send them our prices and B you've got to stay up late till like one in the morning and regress it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you mean the Jones and Fannin coffers isn't going to like subsidise us going to. Come on, Ray Shadow Legends, sponsor us, you bastards.
Speaker 1:Tax write-off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need that sweet dollar just to go and see Doctor who in the cinema.
Speaker 1:Please sponsor us to go and sit in the cinema and have a sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, That'd be great. It's just zoned out. Yeah, head back. Snore my head off.
Speaker 1:Oh God no.
Speaker 2:I'll probably watch it.
Speaker 1:I'll probably watch it Saturday during the day, which just seems to be the norm, if I'm honest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Whereas I kind of I get home and go right watch Doctor for who? And then go, I run out of energy. Sleep, quickly rewind. I'm the worst because I lay on my sofa, I get comfort and go oh yes, I'll just lay here and watch this. And go oh no, what we're done. Oh no man. Yeah, once you stop that's it.
Speaker 1:You can't stop, because once you stop, you can't repower up again yeah, and it's this one.
Speaker 2:I am just an old man now, I just like. I just like my comfy sofa, I'm just quite content and then it all goes wrong.
Speaker 1:Speaking of being old, I was at MCON today.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. And how was it In Nottingham?
Speaker 1:Oh God, why is it so loud? This is loud and there's lots of people. Yeah, it was all right. It was Because we went to the first MCON it'd be many years ago when it was the debacle in someone's front room and it was just absolutely rammed. But this one's not too bad. It's in the Motorpoint Arena now, which is it's not a big arena. Do you remember that con we went to in Sheffield many years ago? Yes, it's a small-style arena, so it's not a big arena. Actually, you really went there. We went to see TNA Wrestling in.
Speaker 2:Nottingham many years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's that thing, so it's obviously not as big as like a London thing and it was quite squashed in. So it's kind of a weird setup. So they had in the tiered seating and then in whatever the pitch is I think it's ice hockey or something. They had all the stall holders, which was fine. They had some autographed people down one end and then the rest were on the concourse like Milton Keynes. You had to kind of go and find them.
Speaker 2:Oh, milton Keynes, yeah, but it's not an open-air stadium.
Speaker 1:This is an indoor stadium, so it was a bit weird. So I kind of saw where the autographed people were. The so it was a bit weird, so I kind of saw where the autographed people were. The photo shoot thing was squashed in another area and then when we were going out, you go in one way and come out another way. That was quite well organized actually. We went up at the concourse and there's loads more guests. I was like, oh, they're in here. I thought they were all down in the other bit. So it was kind of lots of shouty people and squeaky kids and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:But we went round and yeah, it was alright, I'm back tomorrow to do my business, because my son came in with me today to do your business yeah, doing autographs, and what not tomorrow? But you'd get bored if I did it today, so I well, you are a celebrity, aren't you? Yeah, so I thought I'd go back and do all the secondary stuff tomorrow when it's a bit well. It won't be quieter, but it might be quieter, but it'll be a little bit more chilled out so is it?
Speaker 2:is it? Are our cons the same as when we used to do them back in the day, apart from taking inflation into account? So, like uh, what we would consider, uh, 10 pound autographs are now like 20 quid for most people yeah, I think it's still reasonable.
Speaker 1:I think looking at some of the like mid-tier autographs are like 20 quid like stuff you've got where you've got like you could pay if you had. In the old days you pay with cash, you like, have a tenner in your wallet, you could probably still buy something. What's changed?
Speaker 1:they now charge for selfies at the desk, all the little things have a little sign for selfies, which I think is a good thing, because selfies used to just like there's, only really come into when we were finishing cons, wasn't it? But it was like it always seemed to slow things down. What else? Photoshoots are still reasonable, I think, group shots and things like that still reasonable. So no, I think those prices have sort of stayed the same. I think the ticket prices were reasonable to get in. I bought myself a VIP thing mainly because I couldn't be arsed to queue, but it actually wasn't too bad. It was reasonable because they had different tiers of that.
Speaker 1:So I went for a tier that was reasonable like there's platinum, gold, silver, iron or something like that just because I couldn't be arsed to queue and I thought actually by the time you faffed about it's saving you money, saving you time, and it was worth it. So I wasn't too bothered about that. But I think the prices have stood the test of time. Certainly there. We're going to LFCC this time next month. Actually I'll be interested. That price ticket has gone up, but not unsurprising and it'll be interesting to see what that's like. Last time I went there was in just after Covid disappeared. What 2022?
Speaker 1:and it was rammed, and it'll be rammed again this year, no doubt. But I'll be interested to see what big guests they've got at LFcc this year.
Speaker 2:I actually know because I know, I know some of the big guests that obviously we met back in the day, obviously when we met them. I think karen gillan, when we first met her, oh yeah, it was like.
Speaker 1:It was like 20 quid for an autograph yeah, dirt cheap, it ain't anymore no, no, and actually in some ways it is quite cool looking back at all the people we saw before they were famous. I was thinking the other day the guy who played Constantine in the TV series, the Welsh guy.
Speaker 2:Matt.
Speaker 1:Ryan yes, he came to a random, uh bad wolf event as the boyfriend of one of the women from torchwood and because things kind of like they didn't have enough guests. He just was like a random guest and he was really funny and he's really nice guy and I got his autograph and like he went on to do massive things and it's like, yeah, actually he was really funny and he's a really nice guy and I got his autograph and he went on to do massive things and it's like, yeah, actually he was great. It's people like that who started out. Who was another one? Oh, georgia Tennant. She was a guest before she was married to him as a random big fit. No, yeah, it's Bab Wolf, again, just a random thing, because she'd been in before she was. It must have been when she was obviously What's-Her-Face Jenny in Doctor who. Yeah, she wasn't very popular because they already knew who she was and all that, and I was like oh, I remember, Because she still holds the award for the only get-out when these go.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, because if you remember right, the award ended with I love her. So it's people like that who nowadays you go. Yeah, that costs a lot of money back in our day 10-15 quid. Lovely, they've got Angel from Buffy David I can never say his name.
Speaker 2:Rupert.
Speaker 1:Brint is the big one.
Speaker 2:Which is understandable. I dread to think how much a Rupert Grint autograph is.
Speaker 1:See if you can guess when I click on it £100. He's only there for one day.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's going to be a carnage.
Speaker 1:£100 for an autograph Higher Sorry what. Higher.
Speaker 2:Much higher, not much £125. £125.
Speaker 1:£95 for a photo shoot. Oh, that hurts my soul. Let's have a look. They have a selection thing. It probably compared to like Nottingham Convention. It'll probably be more expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they have some random guests, as they always do for FCC yeah, using using old Rupert as an example is there know from memory it used to be the old Platinum Pass, because they were coming in as we were coming out so I'm guessing to even see him you're probably going to have to buy a Platinum Pass to even meet him.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what the queue was like back then oh yeah, anywhere near him. The queues today were queueing but it wasn't too bad, but there will be chaos. Let's have a look, They've only got one. They've only got one tier of pass, and that's a gold pass at 270 quid.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's gone up. Yeah, because they had different ones.
Speaker 1:They had gold and platinum and all sorts didn gone up. Yeah, because they had different ones. They had gold and platinum and all sorts, didn't they?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they used to have standard entry. Then there was gold all over, but then there was platinum for certain guests. I think, like I know, when certain people have been there they had a specific platinum pass for them to allow you to kind of skip the gold queue and really get in yeah, yeah, because this is mcon.
Speaker 1:They had, yeah, the four different tiers and you got various different perks depending on what you were doing. I was just doing it, so I go oh, oh, no, no, this is different. So they've got that gold pass was just to get in the door. You can buy individual passes for the people. So, rupert grint, saturday diamond pass yeah does not include entry to the venue 246 quid oh mama so you've got to buy a entry ticket or a gold pass, so that gets you.
Speaker 1:Oh my lord guaranteed yeah, guaranteed in person autograph. Guaranteed, guaranteed photo shoot and some freebies and stuff yeah, because that was a hoo-ha.
Speaker 2:You had to buy your ticket to get in the door before you even bought your platinum pass and you had oh my lord god, let's get that.
Speaker 1:Gets confusing as well.
Speaker 2:Hmm, yeah it's not everybody, I think it's only the names that have got.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think a lot of people got caught out years ago.
Speaker 2:Admittedly, I know, in my twilight years of conventions I used to go on a press pass.
Speaker 1:Those were the days, wasn't it, when they were giving them out like smarties to anybody. Yeah, we used to do it with this, didn't we?
Speaker 2:Yes, we did, yeah, we did.
Speaker 1:Because I think the last time we went to LFCC before the hiatus was just getting in for free.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and because obviously back in our cosplaying days, darling, when we had followers and fans and all that gubbins, one could do this yeah, but nowadays yeah.
Speaker 1:I suppose they must still do it. That's interesting that that must cost a fortune because the gold ticket must be 270 quid, priority entry just to get in on three days and then you pay priority to get in the queue to see the person so you could go in normally and get a oh jeez you could go in normally and get a patent pass for that person. Yeah, that's above my kind of like.
Speaker 2:I thought the VIP thing I got today was good enough, but it's like wow, that's crazy money yeah, because obviously back in our day, christ I sound old, back in that day the gold sound old. Um, back in back in that day the gold pass was the the queue jump for everybody.
Speaker 1:They introduced those platinum parties for those key guests because otherwise they realized that it wasn't going to happen yeah and it says here that the platinum passes will be called in number order as well, so it's not just a free-for-all. You still got to queue up a number order too yeah, but do that?
Speaker 2:I'm assuming there'll be a virtual queuing system, like they were back in the day. Yeah, all those were the days, weren't they? Or virtual queueing get your ticket, get your ticket yeah, and the old attitude all these people can organize a queue and you used to see the staff members that one can organize a queue, that one's bad at it. Oh yeah, now serving numbers one to five.
Speaker 1:Come on, boys, sort out oh yeah, because it's like you can tell who's new and who's not about organizing, yeah managing yeah uh, what's the word? Managing the throngs of slightly stressed out people yes, it wasn't too bad today. The I think they were doing the inside organizing and the actual venue was doing the outside organizing and that's the work spot on in the terms of it flowed really well and, yeah, we got in really quickly, so it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 2:So it wasn't too bad, Cool Cool cool, cool.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that's it. I think we've drained as much as we can today.
Speaker 2:Yes, this episode has been fully drained.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, that's a phrase, isn't it Drained your Doctor who knowledge?
Speaker 2:No, it's good, it was a good episode.
Speaker 1:So when it's good, we don't speak at all.
Speaker 2:I guess that just leaves us to say join us, this same bat time, same bat channel next week for another review of Doctor who, episode 7. Please be good.
Speaker 1:It's going to be good we're on a high now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going into a positive episode. It's going to be fine, and then it's going to be good. We're on a high now. Yeah, we're going into a positive episode, it's going to be fine, and then it's going to crash and burn for episode eight the week after.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see, right. I shall say cheerio and I shall say goodbye, bye, we'll be right back.