Journeys in Fandom
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Journeys in Fandom
2023 Review - Navigating a Year of Time Lords, Monarchs and Media Shifts
Raise your glasses, folks, because we're toasting to the New Year and diving headfirst into the rich tapestry that was 2023.
From the pomp of the King's Coronation to the future of the British monarchy, this episode is a royal affair. We chew over the public's reception of the new King and muse on the monarchy's next moves. But rest easy; there's no shortage of superhero shenanigans to discuss—from Marvel's contract quandaries to DC's daring reboots, we're all over it like capes on vigilantes.
As we round out the episode, we peer into the crystal ball of streaming's future—imagine a world where your favourite flicks are peppered with ads; thank you, Amazon. We also look at what movies will be released in 2024, including some unnecessary prequels and sequels. Lastly, we place our bets on the UK general election outcome and the US presidential race because who can resist a bit political wagering? So, buckle up and join us on this wild ride through time, tech, and TV!
Hello and welcome to episode 16 of Janis and Fandom, season 2.
Speaker 2:Yay, happy New Year to everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, happy new year. How are we 16 episodes in? How do you manage this? With no plan and just how long was season one?
Speaker 2:Oh, I've not. You've been counted in seasons. I've not been really. It's star. We talked about this way ages ago, didn't we? It started way back, oh, was it? Oh, I don't know. I'll have to work that one out. It was something like we had anniversary quite a long time, not that long ago, do we? In October? Yeah, and I can't remember. There was something like 20.
Speaker 3:About two years, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:It was, we were still conventioning at the time, ah we went through. We went through, definitely went through Matt Smith to Peter Capaldi, because I remember when we writ-rolled everybody and that was at our height of our fame.
Speaker 3:Yes, oh God, yeah, we'd gone past that.
Speaker 2:We'd also gone past the 50th. So yeah, so I think I would hazard a guess as to say two years. Yes, I'm going to go with that.
Speaker 1:Well, how long have we been back? It doesn't seem that long. It's been 16 episodes in already.
Speaker 2:Oh, God, 16. It's not 16 weeks, has it? It's been longer than that. We started in. No, the idea was developed at the end of March, so I think April yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that sounds so actually 16 episodes in what? Eight months, nine months, or bad, or bad. Admittedly, doctor who's 60th did help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it did boost our productivity. We came weekly. We boosted our productivity by like 200%. Normally it was more than every couple of months, but now it's like one a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I do love the feedback you put in to make sure they actually get sent out to the great, the great between public, I could probably get this one out.
Speaker 2:I've got a bit of a system going now so it's actually quite easy to get it churned out on a Sunday morning. So spoilers.
Speaker 3:That's what we do.
Speaker 1:So you never know. Might get this out tomorrow, who knows, who knows. So we are talking about the year, that was 2023. Yes and we have fully planned and prepared for this, haven't we? Tim?
Speaker 2:Yes, we've got topics that we're going to discuss. Yeah, we are totally ready, right? Well, we won't talk about Doctor who, because I think we've done that to death, haven't we really? We've done enough of Doctor who in terms of reviewing 2023. However.
Speaker 1:I would like to just throw the only Doctor who related thing I'm going to talk about today. Okay, we'll ask for a statement. I might be lying. Whenever I speak to anyone about bi-generation and then RTD's little Off-the-Cuff comment about it happened all the way back to the timeline the look on their face is always the same. It's simply what, what, just what? It's just. It's not looking, but, but why?
Speaker 2:But no, exactly, are these like normies? Are these just normal Doctor who watches?
Speaker 1:Well, anyone either like fans or normal people. But yeah, the responses are the same all round. It's just why, good God, why?
Speaker 3:It's just I think they broke it Flippant comments.
Speaker 1:I think they've broken Doctor who.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if it just left it alone, it's kind of like one step too far. And now they're kind of, and it's, but because he said it in an Off-the-Cuff commentary, is it real?
Speaker 3:Is it canon?
Speaker 2:I suppose it can only become canon when Svesm Okoy wanders onto screen in the near future as himself, old self or whatever. That's where we know it's real, oh God could you imagine?
Speaker 1:Or is he just messing with us? Is he just thinking that people like us will go oh, that's a comment and just go with it like we have? He does do that.
Speaker 2:He says things in interviews or in stuff and then everyone just goes oh that must be true and actually he doesn't mean it and it's just. I think, if anything's in an interview, in writing is what I kind of treat as 100% correct. Anything that he's just sort of sitting with. It was because you sit with his mates, won't he Just laughing?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Are you kind of thinking is that real?
Speaker 1:No, or he's just winding us up, hopefully later, but maybe the former, who knows?
Speaker 2:Who knows? But yes, Doctor who that's done, yes, done.
Speaker 1:Move on. So 2023. What did you think? Was it a good year for you? What would a highlight of 2023?
Speaker 3:Obviously, we're back. That's a highlight. Yeah, that's a good bit of highlight.
Speaker 2:In terms of fandom, in terms of anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How many?
Speaker 1:promenades do we have Like seven?
Speaker 2:Was that all last year? They all kind of lens into one.
Speaker 1:It felt like all last year because of the illusory truck lasted five minutes, so it must have been?
Speaker 2:When did she go? I thought she went before. I thought she was 2022. Am I wrong?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know. You know, when you?
Speaker 2:just when days become, weeks become months become years September to October 2022. So they don't count.
Speaker 1:Yeah 2022. You mean I can't talk politics next hour. I feel disappointed, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I suppose it's kind of a weird one, isn't it? Because we still talk about Covid as being like last year, but it wasn't. Yeah that's true. It's now coming up to four years since they all that kicked off.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is weird. That's definitely weird. It still has such a bearing on everyone's lives, but it was actually four years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, I had an eye test this week and I said what was your last one? I went ah, a couple years ago. What 2015? And they went that's 90 years ago. And I went no, it's like three years ago. What do you want about it?
Speaker 2:No, yeah, time is weird. It is weird when you get to a certain age. It gets even more weirder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think we've both reached that certain age, haven't we? Yeah, We've got older and grumpy era and just go. Oh God, why it just dilates.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it goes really fast, sometimes it goes really slow.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I'm not going to say yeah, yeah, because that could be a whole thing on its own, couldn't it? We can talk about it when we look forward to 2024, can't we?
Speaker 2:Yes, because this year is going to be hilariously funny on this side of the pond and also in America, because it's all going to kick off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so let's talk about the past before we have fun with the future, shall we? What I'm just trying to think? Was there actually anything? Was there any memorable moments in 2023 other than, obviously, our shared fandom ones? Do you know what? I can barely remember 2023?.
Speaker 2:Coronation of the King. That happens, oh God. Yeah, Again, because there was a big gap?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it always was, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she died in 2022, but there was the gap.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because Lidz trust Kyl did, didn't she? Yeah of course.
Speaker 2:For the benefit of the legal team.
Speaker 2:That's why I fought for her last year, the 20s and 20s fandom legal team that Lidz trust did not kill the Queen. She died of natural causes. Oh God, yeah. But he didn't get crowned, officially crowned, until this year. I watched that bit of it with my son. I wasn't that interested, but I got really nervous for all the people because it's that horrible thing where you do not like public speaking but things in public and you're carrying something like Penny Mordent and the sword or the bloke carrying the crown. You just think if he trips over now he's gonna be in the shit, isn't he? Because he's got the King who is sat for the bill.
Speaker 1:But that boat would never be forgotten. Yeah, exactly ever.
Speaker 2:I got so stressed out for those little people like just doing all those work.
Speaker 1:At some point you're wondering which one of those people is gonna let the voices win, aren't they?
Speaker 2:There's that little voice back in your head going go on, drop it, Just call it.
Speaker 1:Or imagine for a moment, distressing as it would be for being Penny Mordent for a moment, and just swing it like a lightsaber. Go on, make the noises, go on.
Speaker 2:Warm, warm. Yes, so that was yeah for the first UK listeners. That was a big thing, wasn't it? Whether you like them or you don't like them, the monarchy is the backbone of our society and not going anywhere realistically in our lifetimes, I don't think.
Speaker 1:Because that's the thing a lot of people were saying would he ever be King, weren't they? Because, obviously, queenie was great, because most of us don't remember a time before her, because she was a young Queen and has been around forever.
Speaker 2:I think my parents would have just about, but only just not that many years. But yeah, no for us, our generation, every generation after us, we're going to have one monarch.
Speaker 1:until now, yeah, and obviously she was popular and liked and respected. Obviously there are people that will disagree with that completely because they absolutely hate her. But him was a different kind of fish, completely Everyone's just going really is this. Are we doing this Because there are lots of people saying I'm just going to skip him completely and make what's his face, william, william.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he's arguably more popular, but we might get to see William as King, probably when we're. If he inherits the same genes as his mother, then Charles will last for a good while. He's about 70-odd now, though, isn't he 27? So give it 20 years, give it 20 years. So we'd definitely see William and we won't see. Oh, here's the next one, george. We won't see George as King unless there's something drastic happen. Yeah, unless something goes very wrong.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine us say, in 20 years, 20 more years of jadedness just added to this?
Speaker 2:Not to talk about Doctor who, but there'd be some kind of craziness going on, won't there? Russell will still be there, still writing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it will be in full VR, so it'll be like a full contact hologram. You can have me in a living room. What more do you want? I think that image is now going to be burned in many, many people's heads.
Speaker 2:Yes, of just me in the living room.
Speaker 1:Good little dance. Yeah, there you go. On a island of partridge. Yeah, 60-year-old me just got some stuff.
Speaker 2:There you go. Well, yep, it's going to be one of those episodes, folks.
Speaker 1:Yep yep. I was going to say we're obviously in the Christmas and New Year mood. Time hasn't been meaning any more.
Speaker 2:It's great. I mean, it's just that kind of low.
Speaker 1:before we get back to business, yeah, it's just that first week you're allowed to be silly and I'm still counting this as that first week.
Speaker 2:Like I say, is it still the first week? I suppose it technically it is, isn't it?
Speaker 1:It's a sick for January mate, so it's a first week in my book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, still seven days.
Speaker 1:Yep, I've got one day's grace left. It's fine. I am genuinely trying to think of anything in 2020 that's actually stuck in my memory, yeah it's kind of weird isn't it? Well, we had a collapse of Buddy, bitcoin and NFTs and all that. That whole system just fell apart. Yeah, so that was fun. We had Reacher on Amazon.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 2:We liked that. Oh yeah, the new series is even better it is.
Speaker 1:I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2:I'm not watching it fast because I want to savor it. It's like, oh, this is so good, this is so good, yeah, it's probably.
Speaker 1:Every Friday I'm going to all new episodes.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, I watched two in two days and I felt guilty for watching two in two days. I've got to slow down a bit. No, I would say that's probably ugly, my these series, film, TV. Whatever you want to call it, the peak of 2023 was Reacher.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it was that?
Speaker 2:good, hang on a minute. That wasn't out in 2023. That was out in 2022. I know that for a fact 2023 literally had nothing in it. Season one. That was out in early 2022.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was late January, early February. God, I watched it in 2023. Yeah, I'm going to stick for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hang on. I've got a thing up Year-remover year, that's so this is really bad. What?
Speaker 1:did happen. Barbenheimer, that happened, I know that happened. Oh yeah, I'm back. I saw a quote from I think it was Meryl Streep or someone big like that, saying basically dear Barbie team, thank you, you saved cinema. Because actually, well, no, because I think cinema has been such a weird place post COVID. There hadn't been any big films like post COVID and Barbie was kind of that cinema moment that doesn't happen often, where suddenly everyone gets caught up in it.
Speaker 2:Arguably the cleverliest because I would the most clever marketed film ever that completely hid what the story was about until you went and saw it Up and high. I've not seen.
Speaker 1:It's a wireless.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to, probably I'm going to rent it on, stream it and watch it, and because it's supposed to be very good, and arguably, that one is surely going to get an Oscar for Killian Murphy, you'd think, because it's the kind of thing that Hollywood likes, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Speaking of films, I could be 2023 was the downfall but the decline of Marvel. Yes, and probably superhero films are genuine, but definitely Marvel, I would say.
Speaker 1:Well, of course, Last year what's his face? Took over DC, didn't he, James Gunn?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And basically killed DC cinema presence overnight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and all the DC films this year, the exception of Blue Beetle, were all last in the line of the old stuff and were kind of just ground into it non-existence. So Aquaman 2 has been getting panned for being awful. Flash once wasn't great. I saw that and I thought it was again, because you're watching it knowing that none of these people are coming back. I didn't see Shazam, Apparently that one was very good.
Speaker 1:I think this is a problem when you're told that this cinematic universe is dead, you just don't care anymore. I'm a DC fan and I didn't bother with Flash, didn't bother with Shazam 2, didn't bother with Aquaman 2, didn't bother with Blue Beetle. I just didn't bother with any of them. I just went, I just don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Marvel.
Speaker 1:Even the Marvel films. I've just gone, I just don't care.
Speaker 2:No, the last Marvel film I saw was Aquaman, start of the year. It was okay. I've not watched any of the TV stuff that's come out. Don't intend to the obviously half the press. Old Jonathan Majors was found guilty and it's been sacked. So the whole multiverse thing is up in the air at the moment, isn't it Because of the riot strike? I think the only film Marvel have got coming out this calendar year is Deadpool 3, which is not in any way linked to anything. It's kind of stands out on its own a little bit. So they've got a year to kind of decide what they're going to do. Marvel.
Speaker 1:Is Deadpool coming out, or wasn't that put back?
Speaker 2:I think it's coming out at the end of the year.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because it wasn't until May, or something.
Speaker 2:I think it's been pushed back because it was already half well it says it's the 26th of July. Yeah, you can argue. What else I can say when I'm at? Marvel's was complete disaster. That was the last one they put out this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I watched that. Was it any good? It was 90 minutes of watchable film and, to be fair, I just wanted it to be a film recorded on a camera and it would have met my expectations.
Speaker 3:If.
Speaker 1:I'm being blunt. I went in with zero expectations and it met all of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not good and the joke was what's her name.
Speaker 1:Fingy Carr on Ms Marvel was actually one of the better things about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I watched the Ms Marvel TV thing two years ago now and that was good. It was for a certain audience, like a teen audience. You could tell she was great. Now I thought she was really good. That was possibly the last one I watched, I can't remember. I just look and forgot Guardians of Galaxy. That was the last successful Marvel film oh yeah, that was good. That was the end of the trilogy, so you could argue that's a stand on its own. It's not lending itself to the multiverse it wasn't anything to do with it.
Speaker 2:It was on its own. So, yeah, that was good. I enjoyed that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because obviously at the end of that one it says, oh, what's his star, lord return. But it doesn't mention any of the others?
Speaker 2:No, no, so that would have been coming back. It kind of rounded off all their storylines quite nicely, didn't it? So, yeah, Marvel, yeah he's, we talked about it, we. A mess that is Marvel. They are in a bit of a mess now.
Speaker 2:It's there was a I can't remember who the interview was with. I saw it on TikTok talking about how the Marvel movies or Marvel, but superhero movies have created this new thing in Hollywood. In films where in the old days you'd see a, there was like the Schwarzenegger movie, a slow movie. Tom Cruise is the only one left, really, where the movie was popular because of the person that was in it.
Speaker 2:Now it's the other way round. It's it doesn't matter who's in it, it's the franchise that's trying to make it popular. They use the example of name a Tom Holland film that was successful because he was in it and they said you can't really because he was Spider-Man, and the reason he was successful in Spider-Man, not because of him, it's because of Spider-Man.
Speaker 1:The franchise makes him successful If you look at his non Marvel movies Uncharted, that one with Waterface from Star Wars.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:That's the problem.
Speaker 1:We're going, yeah, name a Tom Holland movie. We're going to go Uncharted that one with a woman from Star Wars. Granted, it is yoga.
Speaker 2:That was the example they were giving that actually these films are based around. You go to see it to be part of the universe, not to see a good story anymore, and it's quite formulaic with what you expect from it and people have got bored of that formula to a certain extent. And also, I think, as we said previous, podcasts, because now Marvel you have to have watched all the TV shows and all the films, and the Marvels is a classic example. If you hadn't seen the most Marvel TV show or Scarlet Witch Vision, you wouldn't know who the two other two main characters were.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I assume in the film they didn't explain who they were in much detail.
Speaker 1:They give a quick sort of cover. Over and again I'm struck into remembering that film because it was. It's like end game in Infinity War. I can go yeah, this happened, this happened, this happened, this happened, it was. It was hours long and I can remember each of the plot points. There was the Marvel was. It was case of they meet, they sing a bit, they swap some powers, the villain is defeated pointlessly and, oh look, it says something expensive, sweet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they're in a they're in a bit of a mess that it's. There's so many things that will feed into it because people say, oh, it's superhero fatigue. That's a small point. And also the Marvel movies recently have been rubbish. They've not been any good Because that run up to end game nearly. If everyone was a hit, perfect hit. And now they're just all over the place for whatever reason bad writing, bad direction and it's just messy. And the TV shows equally, have well been great.
Speaker 1:If to talk on Marvel for a for a moment, I think the problem is, if you have such a cinematic event that Infinity War end game were that took so long to create and deliver afterwards you go. Well, Christ. You're then kind of for want of a better phrase. You've shot your load and you just go. Where did we go?
Speaker 3:Oh goody time.
Speaker 1:But no, that's the joke. You go well, actually you've had your, your climax of your cinematic universe. Where do you go from here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they're trying to make it bigger. But I always, even way back when they announced all this stuff, I thought they're never going to top end game because it was a perfect lightning in a bottle thing Never been done before. The major Marvel characters everyone recognizes, everyone identifies with, they've all gone now. Or the major actors are, they've all gone. There's so many things that are now changed, and not to mention the whole Jonathan Majors mess that they've got themselves in for.
Speaker 2:Incidentally, I don't know if it's true Again, TikTok is by the fountain of knowledge for me. Quite a few people posted saying the rumour is that when Jeff I guess Jeff Bridges, John St Majors I say Jeff Bridges at all, John St Majors negotiate his contract, In his contract was that Kang would not get recast, for whatever reason he, if he ever left, he couldn't, they wouldn't be allowed to recast him, which may explain why they've been dithering about what to do next.
Speaker 1:That's, that's old. We get a contract. I don't know if it's true. Yeah, I don't know, though.
Speaker 2:You know the mess are in the moment because they're talking about removing Kang and bringing in Dr Doom and completely shifting it, but anyway, so yeah, but yeah. Aside from that, it's an absolute mess. I'm because, like all the TV shows are producing, echo is out. I didn't even know echo.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure she was in Hawkeye, but I didn't even know she was a character. Who who asked for a TV show like that, really from a B list, not even bees, like a wide list character that no one really has any investment in and they're going to produce it because it can.
Speaker 1:Like we said they churn it out. So I don't know my name is, you know?
Speaker 2:I think DC, in a weird kind of way, dc in a, in a I'm not saying better position, but they're in a different position because they have started again or they are going to start again, whereas Marvel are still knee deep in their own mess and they can't meet defeat. They've got to keep moving forward, haven't they? Yeah, I don't know yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's the for DC. What do you try and do? The big team up thing, or do you just make individual?
Speaker 2:good movies? Yeah, Because for the Batman with what's his face? Uh, Cedric. Diggie uh yeah was great because it's still alone. It was a really good story, really good characters. I can watch it again and again. It's good. Yeah, it doesn't need a shared universe with all this nonsense, it just needs good stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um. So what else? What else big was happening in 2023? So Doctor who turned 60, marvel disappeared up itself. Uh, dc tore itself apart. Um, we got a new king. Uh, we watched.
Speaker 2:Reacher. It was good, Even though it was out in 2022.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the second series was out in 2023.
Speaker 2:Technically wasn't it?
Speaker 3:Just about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just at the end of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just yeah. So that kind of balances it out. Yeah, what I did sort of see is there are a few people saying that Alan Richardson Richard Chiu with his name is he's a very good Batman Because he's physically big enough and he's going to pull off a suit and he's got the charisma.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's got charisma yeah.
Speaker 1:And that was the thing to be Batman. You've got to be charismatic enough to be Bruce, but scary enough to be Batman. Yeah, yeah, it was good because he was, and actually reach out to Tixos Boxers.
Speaker 2:He was Aquaman, his first ever TV thing in Smallville.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he was Hawkman in no, no, no, no, no. He was Hawk in Titans.
Speaker 2:Of course he was. Yeah, yeah, he said he remembers that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, almost made a slip he was Hawk.
Speaker 2:no, he wasn't Hawkman, Hawk and Dove, wasn't it? I didn't finish watching that. I need to go back and finish watching that. It's a reminder me.
Speaker 1:We were still on that post-COVID lull, so nothing new was happening because there wasn't enough time path for anything new to happen, other than stuff where they managed to get done. So it's a weird non-year, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's kind of coming back. Of course, we talked about it in a previous podcast. Dungeons and Dragons film was out Jobwick 4, not seen that yet.
Speaker 1:It's a Jobwick film. It does what it does.
Speaker 2:Fast and Furious 10.
Speaker 1:Part 1, section A, Road 34.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it, it was great.
Speaker 1:It's all about family.
Speaker 2:But even it jumped the shark about two episodes ago and even I had to sit there and go. I love this franchise, but it's getting a bit corny and they killed off John Cena, which really annoyed me, although he'd probably be in the next film Spoilers oh sorry, I thought you'd seen it. No, he may or may not die, but, on the contrast, someone else comes back who's alive, so you kind of balances it out, but I won't tell you who that is. And Reacher's in that as well. Yeah, he's in that as a CIA dude, a new character.
Speaker 1:I think we should just rename this podcast to we Love Reacher Podcast. He's great. Please make more of him. It is good. Yeah, because he's great. Yeah, now it's one of the shows we go. Yeah, this guy is physically opposing enough to just hurt people. Yes, yes, I appreciate this.
Speaker 2:And if you've ever read the books, how they do the fight scenes is how they do it in the thing. Especially, reacher has the habit of he doesn't let them talk, he just headbutts someone because of his rules, doesn't it Get the shot in first and it happens in the things is like the bit with the bikers and they surround him with a car park. And the guy is mouthing off and he's headbutts him even before he gets to finish his sentence I thought yeah, that's Reacher.
Speaker 1:What I do like when there is an episode is when he's interrogating someone and he goes oh, normally I do this quickly, but I haven't got time to look at a choked life out of you and you went oh right, does that work?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I often quote Reacher at work and people don't get it. It's quite like these kind of like life lessons. It's like no one's getting this, no one's read the books.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good times, good times, Anyway, tv, tv what about TV Besides Doctor who?
Speaker 2:I don't. Yeah, TV evolves again. I suppose we could talk about the fact that Rings of Power costs Amazon X billion of dollars and has done not very well at all, the most expensive TV show ever that did nothing and just absolutely bombed.
Speaker 2:Reacher is the most watched Amazon show of 2023. And it only came out in December, and Rings of Power, I think, was not even in their top 10. I can't remember, it was something weird. But Reacher definitely was the most watched Amazon show of 2023. And it was only out for about a week.
Speaker 1:I confess I love Lord of Rings. It's on my to-do list but you know what? I can't be bothered.
Speaker 2:It's so bad. It is really embarrassingly bad. They've meddled with talking, made stuff up, changed things around. Dialogue is awful. The sets and the costumes are awful compared to what we saw in the movies for half the price 10 years ago, or how long it was ago 20. Oh God, yeah, and that stood the test of time. Yeah, because it was out when I was at university. That stood the test of time. That has. Whereas it's bad, it's not worth the effort, but they've got to keep pushing on with it. So I don't know how many series we're going to get. It's going to be awful this year when it comes out.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the TV show I go. Yes, this is for me. I am your target audience and I don't want to watch it Because, again, I've not heard anyone say a good thing about it.
Speaker 2:No, there we go. Top viewed shows Reacher, Gen V. So that's that boy's spin-off, which I've not seen.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've not watched it either, yet it's not getting it on to do with it. Yeah, my fifth, the boys there.
Speaker 2:that was out last year, wasn't it as well? Yeah, that's a great show. That is.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, Geer-a-Gazam what good times.
Speaker 2:We need to have a podcast about that, don't we really?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Because the boy is just awesome.
Speaker 2:That's again how you take a comic story and just create it for TV and don't change anything. Obviously change some of the weird, some of the story lines a little bit closer to the bone probably wouldn't get produced, but essentially the characters are the same and it's like, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how do you make an obvious Superman copy interesting?
Speaker 2:Yeah, just make him a nutter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I think it was a bit nuts and like drinking milk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's great, I didn't realize. Well, obviously both of them are New Zealand. Neither of them. Obviously Carl Irvine's not, I knew that anyway, but the other guy he's from New Zealand as well. So when you hear them in interviews together it's like whoa, he's die, america. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:His first role was on Shortland Street and I remember Shortland Street used to be on ITV in the afternoon around neighbors time. There you go.
Speaker 1:You're officially old, and it's coming from me, who is apparently older than time itself.
Speaker 2:Neighbours half past one in the afternoons and half past five.
Speaker 3:Oh yes.
Speaker 2:If you're off, if you're off, skill sick, you've got to watch it early, you see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I remember occasionally if I had home dinners, I think the thing is I'd the lunch break would end before neighbors started. It was really annoying.
Speaker 2:I can do it. I can get back. I can't. Well, that came back this year, didn't last year? Yes, it finished in 2022. And then, a bit of an anti-climax, it came back again on Amazon. So Amazon brought it back. I've not actually watched it for years, to be fair. I only really watched the finale stuff because it was quite what's the word? Nostalgic.
Speaker 1:So that's the thing If you need regular content.
Speaker 2:a soap opera is all Amazon talking on Amazon adverts oh yeah, I got the email this week to 99. I would have been happy if it is up the subscription by 299 and just said this is like Netflix do. But they kind of said oh yeah, it's like because on Netflix.
Speaker 1:Do the same as well with um. They've got different advertising.
Speaker 2:They've got different. I don't know if it's come out in the UK, but different terms yeah, yeah. You can pay less or not at all, or something Not at all. You have to pay something, but you get ads. Yeah, amazon have gone the other way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you? What do you think about Amazon's decision to have adverts? Because, again, you're going. Amazon makes more money than most of us can actually comprehend. If you, if you combine it up, so like having prime gives you next day or same day shipping on a load of product products from Amazon, um, it gives you the TV stuff and you go. Why do you need this extra money for guys? Yeah, you have enough cash.
Speaker 2:I suppose the Amazon mod is the water, because what you pay you get more. It's not like comparable. You can't compare Netflix to Amazon.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Because I don't think you can pay for Amazon and just have the video. You've got to get the delivery, the music you get all the money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because Amazon Prime is everything, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 2:So, however it is a year or how much a month, it doesn't compare because you're getting more services than Netflix. I don't know, I even, like I said, I'd prefer they just be honest and say we're going to put your subscription up by three quid a month.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And if you don't want to pay it, here's an. Here's a cheaper one with adverts, but it doesn't work because they can't split the services. So it's annoying, I'll end up paying it I'm going to have, because I can't be doing with adverts and movies and stuff like that. It's going to annoy me.
Speaker 1:What I'm also intrigued what is a definition of adverts? Are they literally going to stop a movie halfway through? Well, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:Actually, that's a good question.
Speaker 1:They're going to be like if it's an advert, because I know like there's on prime. There are some channels where there are adverts in it. And you will have an advert after a show ends or before you start, and it's unskippable. It's 20 seconds and you go. Yeah, whatever, I don't care Like YouTube, is that kind of thing yeah. If they stop my movie halfway through and put advert in it, I will come for phase off. I will be there, so I would like to see you. So how to arrive on kind of thing.
Speaker 2:I'm limited ads. Does that mean though?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it says less than a paid for less than a advert subsidized TV channel which you go. And well, I would expect that, because they're every 15 minutes and they're like two or three minutes long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you wouldn't put it through movies, would they?
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I suppose it be. Maybe it's like those other other channels, like you said. What do they do?
Speaker 1:Well, they, they literally do like an advert at the start of each show and at the end of it and you go. Well, I can live for that, because like 30 seconds or two minutes of adverts and I'm making a cup of tea anyway, so who cares? Yeah, if, like I said, if they stop a movie halfway through for an advert break, could you imagine, because they're in a bit coy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. What does it actually mean?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I might just leave it and to see what the Americans again. It on from the 29th of July and we get it from the fifth of Feb, so we'll know about it. Yeah, it doesn't actually say in any of these news articles what it means.
Speaker 1:I think that's probably on purpose?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, none of these things. Movies, tv series, documentaries will have Adverts, but it doesn't say where. What point you can be sure they wouldn't put through. They probably wouldn't put through a movie, wouldn't they? To make you pay the extra 299?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but because, I would say, if you start the movie and as a 30 second advert, cool, I'll go back and come see you while it's on don't care, but if halfway through my movie could you imagine like our army movie mid-action scene, it is just stopped. Gonna add here's advert to pg tips. Yeah, I would come for them yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my suppose streaming services are losing money, aren't they prime? Not some? I suppose they are losing money because they spent how many billions on that, but each Netflix is changing it. Disney we talked about is losing money and, yeah, kind of looking. I'm still two minds whether I'm gonna cancel my Disney. I, because I got such a, but it's not such a good deal now. When it first started I paid yearly for it because it was like a discounted rate, but it's coming up for renewal soon. I'm thinking is it worth my while? Do I really want to keep it? I'm tempted to cancel it because I'm not watching it, like, say, not watching the Disney shows. Some doesn't watch it that much. Really watch is Netflix. I'm tempted to cancel it.
Speaker 1:Hmm it's like for me I've got Netflix, I've got Amazon, I've got Amazon because I had a prime subscription and you just, yeah, you've got it, haven't you? Yeah, yeah, and actually getting stuff next day. Sometimes you go, actually, I need one of them tomorrow, make it happen yeah, that's, I agree, that's really handy and like that time to go. One's the last time I actually watched live TV and the whole TV license thing.
Speaker 2:I've considered that and I thought the hassle fact of just being harassed because people are still harassed. I suppose the last live TV I watch was Dr who at Christmas and a couple of other things at Christmas, so really I only watch, I suppose. Yeah, but Dr who's on and then Christmas time as soon as I'm all use.
Speaker 1:I play for anything. Yeah, and I think I think for me to say was literally an I've not watched a beep for years and went oh, dr who's on, I'll watch on, I play and.
Speaker 2:ITV channel, for I probably watch a couple of stuff on the channel for well. I turn my TV box on and said, oh, channel for was catch up.
Speaker 1:Stuff is gonna be done differently because they're getting their own app and it can only be done through there so we're taking it off like one of the catch-up services are normally used and when. That's a bit weird and the fact that tea that. So it's like the American model of just like cable channels effectively yeah, yeah so, like for me, the only turn out.
Speaker 1:TV license is Dr who. Yeah, and I'm thinking yeah the BBC. You, you're getting my TV lessons because you make TV show, that's yeah, yeah, don't watch channel 5 ITV, rarely watch it.
Speaker 2:I think last year watching ITV is probably the World Cup two years ago there's nothing on there that appeals to me. I've got Britbox and most of the stuff goes on the Britbox so I probably will keep that subscription this year. Because I've got that again through a discount, I was like actually there's some good stuff on it. I've watched quite a lot on it over the last year. But there's also this like and it can paramount which is like we'll touch that don't know. Yeah, what's on that?
Speaker 2:well, there's loads of apple plus I had free for a bit, watched Ted Lasso and that was it. Don't need it now. There's all sorts of stuff that you think, well, you can spend a fortune think about it well, that's what I was thinking, actually.
Speaker 1:If you had every subscription TV channel, that would be hundreds of pounds a month and sky.
Speaker 2:Sky or virgin or something as well for live TV.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely mental because I'm required a month to watch telly. So we've talked about 2023, 2024, 24, what we're looking forward to, obviously, yes, yeah film wise.
Speaker 2:Well, like, because of the right strike and all that, it's all a bit up in the air, isn't it? So there is Deadpool, which yet, generally, before that, we've got to have a look most.
Speaker 1:I have a question about a question about Deadpool. Yeah, is it going to live up to the hype that we're all now giving it?
Speaker 2:well, this there's a couple of things. Yeah, number one, disney how meddling they're going to be in the in the magic, but it is. But, to balance out, it's Ryan Reynolds and it's Hugh Jackman. A huge up and won't come back unless he wanted to. His great mates Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Reynolds has driven Deadpool since day one, hasn't he? Even with day zero, he's been pushing it, so you gotta think that whatever they're gonna do is worthy of it being a good film. You'd hope what we got oh, our guy, all that looks quite good. That's with Henry Cavill, as, like it's an author who writes a book about super spy called agent. Our guy, and it's Henry Cal was worth going and seen the the trailer for it because it's Matthew Vaughan Matthew Vaughan who did Kingsman, yeah, and so it looks really are we gonna get a?
Speaker 2:couple bond basically basically, yeah, yeah, it looks bonkers got John Cena in it as well and it does look really good senior pops up everywhere love it yes, yeah, there's something we did talk about 23 man sold WWE didn't he yes, billion dollars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and because obviously Steph when that happened that was before the sex scandal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think it was gone, wasn't he?
Speaker 3:yeah, then suddenly he's back and then he's sold it for yeah for because it's now.
Speaker 1:It's now all owned by, like the same guys, ufc, isn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, tka hold. Tko holdings is the overall thing. But yeah, they saw and actually, since they sold it it's been. It's been really good because they got rid of him during that thing, put Triple H in charge and actually it's been.
Speaker 1:The storylines actually kind of made sense yeah, because obviously they've done a lot in Saudi Arabia that's gone down like a far lift and they've got some issues 70 billion or something, the million or whatever they got this business they're well, they did it, boxing as well, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it's the what they call yeah sport, sport washing, trying to hide some of the issues in the country. So yeah money's there, so that's where it's all going did you do a football as well?
Speaker 1:I don't my imagination the Katari World Cup.
Speaker 2:Not so much because it wasn't Saudi. Well, no, it's supposed to Saudi Arabian League, where they just spent all this money on bringing a load of players over to Saudi. Arabia yeah, and of course they've not gone there for the money.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, what's your paycheck?
Speaker 2:it's always got nine zeros excellent yeah yeah so yeah, we digress, but yes, wwe getting sold was monumental yes go back to me film list. Madame web, that's gonna be happen. I guess it's gonna be awful. It's the spider-man. Shared universe could be awful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, june part two, not seen the first one oh, do we get across spider verse part two, or is that next year?
Speaker 2:might be the year after. I think I'm still scrolling gold Goldberg. What I said, I've got. Rest of me.
Speaker 1:Ghost busters empire sequel to the ghost, I yeah.
Speaker 2:I've not seen after life. I do need to see that. It's just one of those. I thought it was good. I, like a lot of people, said it's supposed to be very good. It was a good hand in a torch cool. I do need to see it. Godzilla Kong new Empire that should be good. I like the previous ones. Four guy who's playing Lee Bages? Oh, it's like a remake. Who is it? Who is it? Ryan Gosling four guy that was awesome. No see that. No see. Oh. Kingdom of the planet of the apes I don't know we're doing those oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I thought for that while I was watching um models actually, yeah, that's pretty good bad boys it's set like few hundred. What?
Speaker 2:will Smith's got to do something. Yes, it. I haven't seen the previous one with go back to the apes. So yeah, it's set after hundred years and because it's like 300 odd years after Caesar isn't it they're gonna have to be getting soon to remake in the original, where what's his face goes in the spaceship. Yeah, boys, yeah my mind is blown. Beverage it Beverly Hills cop. I knew that was coming, so what? Yeah, they've done another one of that with Eddie Murphy is it a remake or, oh really, seek sequel?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah didn't. I knew it's coming, but I didn't know it's this year. Deadpool 3 yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna heal cop. Wasn't that quite obvious time, though? So will it work nowadays?
Speaker 2:don't know this one. I've forgotten all about boardlands from the video game. It doesn't look very good at all and I'm boardlands is one of my favorite franchises and the cast, apart from Cape Lancet, just doesn't strike me with any level of confidence whatsoever. So we shall see alien Romulus. That's supposed to be yet another sequel to one of the alien movies, oh god yeah, craven, that's the other spider-verse thing oh yeah trailer look good, but it's Craven.
Speaker 2:All these characters need spider-man. Venom can kind of get away with it and it worked, but all the others have to have spider-man, otherwise it doesn't work. I don't know. Avert's go away. Beetle juice to ah. Joker to now. That's the sequel that no one wanted, but yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, speaking of sequels and no one chose gladiator to. Yeah, they've been hinting about it for years, though for years wicked, oh, that's he's dead. No, it's his son or his nephew or something. No, he's son's dead, as well as any spoilers.
Speaker 3:He killed the family.
Speaker 2:Oh, we can, we get it, yeah, prequel to the Lion King. Sorry, what must, I can't say, move us? There's loads of films I've never even heard of that. You kind of go all right, there you go. So there is gonna be things that.
Speaker 1:Prequel to the Lion King. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:For prequel to the 2019 remake. So that soulless thing where they had real-life lions and it was really not very good.
Speaker 1:They're gonna do a prequel based on Simba's dad.
Speaker 2:Well, it's gonna be scar, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Oh, but oh god, they're gonna try my scar like a ball and it's gonna be All my fastest phone.
Speaker 2:It's all those live action Aladdin all the live-action things that Disney don have been soulless and they just lose their.
Speaker 3:It's sold the heart of it, yeah, the light.
Speaker 2:The Lion King was always a really kind of colorful Cartoon and they made it real life. It's just really depressing.
Speaker 1:Well, I confess, like even even Aladdin, they're going. You just have the Robin Williams right, it's just not at least.
Speaker 2:Will Smith did it differently and it was good. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, let's face it, if you done it the same, you'd be obliterated.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, so they're all the films. So there's loads of films actually that I had heard about and thought they'd be miles away. I was surprised if quite a number of them don't make it because of whatever reasons. Yeah the brighter strike, well, delays.
Speaker 1:That's gonna be interesting. So Politics and 2024.
Speaker 2:God, we've done 50 minutes. Well, 23 before. It's gonna be a fun year because our beloved leader has hinted that our election is going to be the second half of 2024, which is unusual around Orton time, supposedly a week after the US general presidential election, which is just bizarre. What? Yeah, it was hinted at date. What happened to elections in May? That's when it's normally happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah it should be a May, but obviously they're. They can get away with it if they hold out long enough.
Speaker 2:People will forget how shit they are, but if it's going to be after the US election what they try to do Hide the bad news stories in the inevitable shitstorm that's going to be the US in the run up to our election, by so hiding it in and amongst the mess that's going to come out of the US. That's basically what they're going to do. Okay, we know Trump's going to kick off, so let's do our election after them and we can hide all the bad news Stories. Do you do? You think Trump's even going to be on the ballot? Yes, I, I just I think the Supreme Court's going to rule next month, february, for all states, because they've contested in Colorado and they've said they will, they will rule for all states.
Speaker 2:I Can't see them, because if they remove him, it sets a scary precedent, for I don't I don't support Trump, but I can see. Their point of view is that he's, he's marketed himself as a Anti-government candidate and he's just every time someone arrests him. Does some to me to say, well, this is proof, is the point, and his popularity goes up every time he's on the ballot? Well, this is proof, is the point, and he's probably like he goes up every time he gets arrested. He's so far ahead in all the polls and he says basically say look, the China silenced me.
Speaker 2:This is exactly what they're trying to do and unfortunately, the, the Courts in the states are all Democrat. So naturally he's just saying, well, look, democrats want to get rid of me. It's playing into his hands. But then, on the flip side, biden's useless and Biden is useless and he's gonna run again and he is gonna get. Trump is gonna walk all over him if they get to that point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's gonna be really really interesting, this time really interesting.
Speaker 1:With Trump that he is going to be a convicted felon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's gonna be so.
Speaker 1:Surely that disqualifies you. There's rules here, guys, that say no, well, he's not being convicted yet Tassie. This is the thing you're going. Well, what stage did he come?
Speaker 2:in. And also there's this weird thing about presidential. What was the word Immunity, Immunity yeah, so.
Speaker 2:And also he could just pardon himself if he got elected president. He just pardoned himself, yeah, which is bizarre. So there's so many things, but it's all. It's an absolute mess Across the board because the, the Republicans, haven't got anyone else who's popular enough to challenge him. Bronda Sanders has disappeared off the face of the earth. Biden is so unpopular for all the stuff that he's he's done wrong that you just think. But he's running at the age of being ages, but he's running. What is it? He'll be 86? Sakharov At least, yeah. Yeah, he's not looking good. Trump's like 70 or 76, 78 anyway, which is the whole different conversation about age of politicians. But it's just gonna be so. It's gonna be so interesting to watch what happens.
Speaker 1:I just can't see them Removing him from the ballot, because that will send shockwaves across everything and things will and again, if they, if they convict him on lots of decision charges and all this, and actually he could have no big to be bankrupt. He could be so many things. Yeah, it could go. There's so much up in the air.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's just bizarre, but it's so interesting because it's this year. That's so the last time is. All eyes will be on it because there's so many things resting on who gets in this time round.
Speaker 1:Well, I think we've got well. War in Ukraine, you've got Trump.
Speaker 2:I didn't say Trump has actively said he will stop all funding. Yeah and yeah and push for a Ceasefire. Yeah, china and the relationship there, the borders you got Joe can apart Garza and is.
Speaker 3:Rome.
Speaker 2:Oh god, that would not go into that one. But yeah, yeah, trump going in would change any Republican. Going in would change the the Sort of like the outset of all of that. But I can't see anyone other than Trump's been selected for the Republican Party because there isn't anybody else. There's nobody else who is anywhere near as popular as he is, which is a bizarre, is really. It's really bizarre.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, I hate to say it, but I think American politics is broken. I think this is the end times kind of thing. Yeah, america, the final chapter. Yes, because they're in such a they're so, they're so polarised, are so partisan you can nothing happens. Yeah, and that the whole system is go, jesus wet.
Speaker 2:What's that? With ours? Conservatives will lose and then they will. The conservative party will eat itself alive and out of that ruin will come Suella Brammerman, likely Nigel Farage, and it will go. That will swing so far to the right, because they've got nowhere else to go.
Speaker 1:So my theory is will the concept of party lose? I don't think they will.
Speaker 2:Well, if they're holding out till November. Apathy will creep in people think, are they gonna? Lose, I'm not gonna vote for anybody. And Exactly exactly that's gonna be.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be everyone's going on though the concept of dead in the war, and that's exactly when they win it, because unless everyone turns up and votes, tactically, because our system is a mess anyway, yeah you just go, yeah. It's like, oh cool, I'm gonna vote. I'm gonna vote such and such. Course away to vote. Mate, you, if you're not voting for the person's gonna put a conservative cell. You have way to do a vote.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's just one party to drop out tactically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get rid of a load of people very quickly, but they won't do that because it's democracy.
Speaker 1:But it's it's, yeah, it's it's case you they need to go, and the joke is they will win by landslide. Oh yes, I will put a pound bet right now. The in whenever we have a reelection because service went by landslide.
Speaker 2:Wow, all right, right what? We'll have to remember that this episode. Let's see, I say they won't, I say they'll get voted out. There you go, there's a pound I want.
Speaker 1:I want to be proven wrong because I really do think the great British public will be apathetic and they will vote poorly or won't bother voting at all.
Speaker 2:Okay, you bet that one, I shall bet a pound that Trump gets in as president. There you go, jesus, so we can end up just so, even Steven it December 2024, we can have Trump's president and buddy Suella Braverman is PM. Well, yeah, but yeah, the time we do the review of 2024.
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Speaker 1:I just want to know. Just good God, could you imagine?
Speaker 2:Yeah, bizarre, serious events.
Speaker 1:I think, to quote Jonathan Pye, I think when Hillary lost to Trump, as soon as everyone said, oh, he cannot win, was the exact moment he won. Yeah, and I think. I think it's history is going to repeat itself. I think he is going to be like you said he is going to win by landslide. It's not going to be funny, and he'll take both houses again. And America was burned, yeah. And the problem is like, yeah, we're going to, the Conservatives won't go win, but who can vote for us?
Speaker 2:dead it's the same with the with Trump. If you look at the Democrats, the assumption is Biden has a right to as a, as the as the incumbent to run. But if you took Biden out of the equation, there isn't anybody else who is. I don't, I couldn't name another Democrat who is anywhere near to fit to challenge that. There isn't anybody. Normally you have like a hierarchy of people that you kind of go. Camilla.
Speaker 2:Harris would be the only obvious choice. But she's a bit right, yeah, because she's been a no mark anyway for the last four years, coming last time on TV Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1:Too late, I think. I think he's too old and he's too left.
Speaker 2:If that makes it possible.
Speaker 1:Americans don't like social, so yeah, elizabeth Warren, same problem she's too, too lefty.
Speaker 2:There isn't really anybody coming up through the ranks.
Speaker 1:There's no center.
Speaker 2:And Republicans all the people that are waiting are just waiting for Trump to disappear before they kind of there's no point. They want us to sit and just let it all happen, which is yeah.
Speaker 3:There you go.
Speaker 2:There you go, joining in Fandom fans we talk politics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and now I don't want to be on the planet anymore.
Speaker 2:It's 2024. It's all going to be exciting, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:I tell you what the end of this year could be really, really depressing. Yeah, or just have a horror feeling. We've just called it.
Speaker 2:The worst case scenario has been called.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, we are in the darkest timeline.
Speaker 2:Ooh timelines multiverses.
Speaker 1:Again, it's all about that yeah. Yeah, I guess at one point we should actually do a little quiz of how many references or quotes from other people we've like slotted in to a podcast episode. Oh Lord, oh God, oh, that's really depressing thought.
Speaker 2:We've got to end on a high note. We've got to end on something positive.
Speaker 1:OK.
Speaker 2:We'll be 25 soon, 20-25. Ok, 20-25. Something exciting.
Speaker 1:Heat Deafen universe. We can pray for that, can't we?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's the European football championships next summer, so England will obviously do exceptionally well Lose yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, england then lose.
Speaker 2:I should say I can't think of anything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, ok.
Speaker 2:I think we should end it here before we just flounder. Yeah, yeah, slowly sink yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I feel just the way you just depressed, it just hit me Right. Yes, yeah, we shall go away.
Speaker 2:We've not shouted many clouds today. We've not got that angry, we've just got really depressed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we've got the other way. We're having our normal shout at clouds. We've just gone. I just don't want to be here anymore.
Speaker 2:I just want to go and cry. We're just going to go away and eat ice cream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I need ice cream and chocolate and a cup of tea. There you go, and maybe a little cry.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:On that note, we've been doing it all.
Speaker 2:We hope everyone has a wonderful 2024. We will be back soon with something else. What if we decided what that is? Yeah, if you're down More, doctor who, I will say a Cheerio from me.
Speaker 1:And I will say oh God, I'm going.
Speaker 2:What have we done? Bye for now. Music playing.